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Posted on: July 11, 2011 6:15 am
 
JUSTIFIED ANGER: If you want to understand why longtime retired NFL players get so frustrated, the men who played decades ago, consider the following.

Linebacker Mike Vrabel is retiring. According to an advocate for retired players, Jeff Nixon, a critic of the current NFLPA leadership, of which Vrabel was an executive committee member, these are benefits Vrabel will receive:

1. $600,000 in his second career savings plan.

2. $580,000 in his NFL annuity plan.

3. $300,000 in his health reimbursement account.

4. $157,000 in his severance pay account.

5. $45,000 in his tuition assistance account.

6. $77,000 annually in his NFL pension, $6,475 a month starting at 55.

And perhaps most impressively, Nixon says, Vrabel will get free medical insurance for him and his family for the next five years.

Not bad. Not bad at all.

Now, Vrabel deserves every penny. He's earned it. All NFL players have. They deserve to be the highest paid players in all of sports because of the physical damage done to their bodies.

But you can understand why someone who played in the 1970s, for example, who gets practically nothing, gets upset when they see the benefits of today's players. As Nixon points out there are older players in the Hall of Fame who receive less than $200 a month in disability. That's it. That's their benefit package.

The NFL will never be whole until all of its former players are taken care of. All of them.
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Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 13, 2011 12:24 am
 

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Lotus: Speaking of unsurprising, is you completely whiffing on the " larger point". People are ultimately responsible for their own actions. One of those is, was, & always will be career choice. Not a difficult concept to grasp.
Pathetic. People are atoms. That's your "larger point". No one should ever be inconvenienced by the suffering of others. That's the practical application of your Randian, distopian, "people are ultimately responsible for their own actions" beliefs.

Let's begin with "career choice". Through no fault of your own, you are born in south central Los Angeles in the 1990's, six months after your father has been shot to death. Your mother does her best, working two minimum wage jobs to keep clothes on your back and food on your table. Your school has been defunded by legislation bought and paid for by corporate interests who's gameplan is to see these schools fail so that they can make the case that publicly-funded institutions "don't work" and therefore must be privatized.

In the meantime, you have no access to computers and thus no experience with the technological template for the fututre. Your teacher(s) are outnumbered 50+ to 1 an thus have little time to do more than teach you the very minimum necessary for you to read, write and do simple math. Because of this, you have no grounding in more advanced concepts necessary to "test" your way into a decent university - which s the only way you'd get in due to your extreme poverty. So, being a determined lad, you get a minimum wage job - the only ones available - in order to pay your way into a community college, automatically denyng you forever any opportunity to make it into an Ivy League school.

And so on.

Is this the picture of the leadup to career choice in your head? Is this part of the "larger point" for you? If not, the picture in your head doesn't have anything to do with reality, and your "larger point" is small, indeed. We do not have equality of opportunity n this country, and therefore, "career choice" is often at best a matter of determining the least insufferable path in a continually narrowing field. That's not exactly much of a choice.

The above is the rationale for having things like a social safety net, affirmative action, grants, Head Start, Planned Parenthood, as well as the New Deal, the Establishment Clause, the Bill of Rights, E Pluribus Unum...

Ah, never mind. Your world is simpler and much more satisfying. Stay in it. No reason to tax yourself. It's easier to beileve that externalities don't exist and that you have no duty to your country or fellow countrymen. Enjoy.



Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: July 12, 2011 12:16 pm
 

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Lotus: Speaking of unsurprising, is you completely whiffing on the " larger point". People are ultimately responsible for their own actions. One of those is, was, & always will be career choice. Not a difficult concept to grasp.  



Since: Jul 21, 2008
Posted on: July 12, 2011 7:00 am
 

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Unfortunately this is a business decision and not a decision based on doing what appears right.  Not paying benefits to the former players (who played in the 70s) is not going to stop someone from entering the draft today.  If this were a field or profession where the lack of benefits may prevent someone from volunteering and thereby drying up the labor pool, it would be different.  If there were no NFL, there would be no owners making money today and there would be no money to pay the benefits to players like Vrabel.  If that looked like a possiblity, money would be going to all former players.

The former players receive benefits based on when they played and what agreements were in place then that were negotiated by the NFLPA.  Many players did not listen to sound advice that it is not all about the cash, benefits are important, and you need to invest in your own future.  It is the same way in society.  Many will try and survive on Social Security alone.  I have a family member who mismanaged their money and now has nothing. They cannot go back to anyone and request more benefits.  However, the difference is family is helping out with medical.  If all NFL former players are truly part of the NFL family, they will be taken care of.  I doubt it will happen because fans will not boycott NFL in mass because they are not helping out a player from the 1970s. 

The decision will be the correct business decision from a purely financial perspective but not necessarily the right decision.





Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: July 12, 2011 2:27 am
 

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These old timers made the NFL what it is today, give em their money tightwads!!!



Since: Dec 28, 2006
Posted on: July 11, 2011 11:35 pm
 

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'The NFLPA is no different than any other union if you are giving them money they got your back the moment that ends so does their concern.'



Isn't that what being in the union all about, getting yours?! That goes for current members and retirees. Good luck with your union mentality brother....



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 11, 2011 9:32 pm
 

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For at least a decade players have know the long term affects of playing football...
ZOMG!!!!! You mean since clear back in 2001?! Surely not! We hadn't evolved thumbsso far back in history! And we all know that change happens spontaneously, overnight! This must mean that the old, retired guys deserve to die in agony!
Drew Brees said its not current players problems that former players spent their money and are now having trouble.
The Drew Brees?! The one who's word ends all discussion on every matter by anyone for all time?! Oh noooooo!!! It's too late to save them! The Brees has spoken!!!!1!!one!
The NFLPA is no different than any other union if you are giving them money they got your back the moment that ends so does their concern.
You mean unions do exactly what corporations want them to do? What a coincidence!!! No wonder there's never been any labor strife in the USA despite having the most violent labor suppression history in the world! Wow! Too bad the NFLPA has blocked the owners from swooping in to save those poor old guys at every turn, because we all know they'd have done it a long time ago if not for those evil, greedy players!

Seriously, if you think about it, you actually have a point in there somewhere. Try again - minus the laughable hyperbole - and you might get somewhere.



Since: Jul 19, 2007
Posted on: July 11, 2011 8:44 pm
 

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For at least a decade players have know the long term affects of playing football yet the players still to this day are just trying to get theirs.Sam Huff has been trying for a very long time to get the NFLPA to get more from the owners and players for the retired men of the NFL and just a few months ago Drew Brees said its not current players problems that former players spent their money and are now having trouble.So lets make sure the blame gets put on the people who deserve it.Players want their money and to hell with the rest!!!!The NFLPA is no different than any other union if you are giving them money they got your back the moment that ends so does their concern.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 11, 2011 8:21 pm
 

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"Sometimes the ignorance is palpable. "Back then" is exactly the time when players didn't know what they were getting into. Medical technology, you see." So, they made their bargain, spending the health of their youth knowingly. Why moan about it now? They didn't bank on miracles, preferring to bargain for "CASH NOW!" 
Is this a joke? I'm not sure how you completely missed the fact that those players "spent" their youth NOT KNOWING about the long-term costs to their health. They bargained for "cash now" because that's all they thought they needed. Had they known they would spend the rest of their lives in need of medical assistance, and had they known the cost of that medical assistance would grow exponentially, perhaps they might have done something differently. The point is, they didn't know. And the further back you go, the less anybody knew. There were no CAT scans or MRIs or any studies on the long-term effects of the kinds of stresses their bodies had to endure. Nobody knew what was going to happen, and nobody expected the problems that later developed.

That is why they "moan about it now".




Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: July 11, 2011 7:24 pm
 

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"Sometimes the ignorance is palpable. "Back then" is exactly the time when players didn't know what they were getting into. Medical technology, you see." So, they made their bargain, spending the health of their youth knowingly. Why moan about it now? They didn't bank on miracles, preferring to bargain for "CASH NOW!" 



Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: July 11, 2011 7:15 pm
 

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It's as if both the business of the NFL and history itself are an undiscovered country for many. (1) Since when do ANY businesses pay the freight for former employees of former owners? Maybe you guys should take care of the rest of us poor slobs first. (2) I was around during a good part of "the old days." It amazes me how very few of you realize that the NFLPA repeatedly urged its own players to put a premium on retiree health insurance and were as repeatedly rebuffed. Those guys wanted their money up front. A good many of them were outspoken about their contempt for "socialism" and their sense of their own rugged individualism. Now, Iron Mike probably wasn't, being as how he came from a solid New Deal Democrat background, but he knows full well just how many of his fellow players were. I think here especially, but not exclusively, of those STARS who crossed the picket lines. Randy White, who tried to run down Tony Dorsett with his pickup truck, was only unique in the lengths to which he would go in being "all about me." He had lots of company over the years. In any case, they got that for which they bargained.


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